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“Do Gooder Derogation” and “Relax! Just Because I am Right and You are Wrong, Doesn’t Mean that I Want to Steal ‘Your’ Woman”
In political discussions (especially on-line, in chat rooms and comments boards), many of us are familiar with “echo chambers” and “confirmation bias”. Also “projection” (if I am a jerk and act out of totally short-sighted self-interest, then I will assume that others are just like me). And many of us are tribalistic, nationalistic, ethnic-group, religious, or political-party chauvinists… My tribe good, yours bad! My violence good, yours bad! These things are fairly familiar to many of us.
What is NOT as well known, is “Do Gooder Derogation”, AKA “Antisocial Punishment”. It is counter-intuitive! Here, I’ll try to make it short: From https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201016-why-some-people-are-cruel-to-others ... An out-take from there is as follows: “This phenomenon is called “do-gooder derogation”. It can be found around the world. In hunter-gatherer societies, successful hunters are criticised for catching a big animal (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797617752642 ) even though their catch means everyone gets more meat. ”
End out-take. To me, sociobiology is often intuitive. At first glance, the hunter-gatherer tendency (instinctually driven?) to immediately “take down a peg or two” the hunter-hero who just bagged a good kill of “red meat” to help feed me? This is counter-intuitive! But take a deeper, more thoughtful look at it: If we make a BIG hero out of the hunter-hero, he might steal all of our women, and make all of our babies! So the tribal shaman will remind the hunter-hero, and the tribe, that it is the shaman that knows how to beat the drums just exactly the right way, who drives away the sun-god-eating (eclipse) demons, and make the demons un-eat the sun-god! And the tribal artist will remind everyone that it is he (maybe even sometimes she) who knows the right way to carve the mammoth tusk, to make a magical fertility icon-figurine, and keep the tribe fertile. We are ALL heroes around here, and NOT just the hunter-hero! So the hunter-hero needs to be reminded of that, so that he’ll not steal ALL of our women!
The knuckle-dragging troglodytes among us, on the internet, even when we know darned well that most of the commenters are anonymous, go into an instinctually-driven mode of “punish the people who are wise, benevolent, and correct”, and make them look bad! Else they might steal my wife or girlfriend, and make my babies”! It is knee-jerk stupidity, on a largely-anonymous chat board, but there it is!
I am a libertarian. I will justify that further below. I believe that right now, every government on the planet (OK, maybe not Somalia, but let’s set aside that argument for now; it’s too big of a diversion) is too large, and personal liberty is too small. More on that further below. But, humans affairs are complicated, and sometimes it might make SOME sense for government to do MORE, in some category, to help the poor (see, liberals, I don’t mean to slam you all day every day). And sometimes maybe government should do MORE to make us more law-abiding and “virtuous” (see, I don’t hate all conservatives either). WHATEVER YOUR POLITICAL PERSUASION IS, keep in mind that your low-brow “enemies” may sometimes fight you and call you bad names… Because you’re right, and they’re wrong! Because you made some valid points, and brought home some “red meat” for the tribe, and so, they feel that you must be punished, for being right! So, don’t forget to remind them that you are NOT trying to steal all of the women, and make all of the babies, when they act that way!
Well, I hope that that’s a good, SHORT summary. It’s where I plan to go, below.
Foot-note-ish note here, hoping not to make the “short” intro too long… My imported link further above appears to be almost broken, or very unwieldy. By Aleta Pleasant and Pat Barclay.
First Published https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797617752642 … So here is a copy of the abstract:
When choosing social partners, people prefer good cooperators (all else being equal). Given this preference, people wishing to be chosen can either increase their own cooperation to become more desirable or suppress others’ cooperation to make them less desirable. Previous research shows that very cooperative people sometimes get punished (“antisocial punishment”) or criticized (“do-gooder derogation”) in many cultures. Here, we used a public-goods game with punishment to test whether antisocial punishment is used as a means of competing to be chosen by suppressing others’ cooperation. As predicted, there was more antisocial punishment when participants were competing to be chosen for a subsequent cooperative task (a trust game) than without a subsequent task. This difference in antisocial punishment cannot be explained by differences in contributions, moralistic punishment, or confusion. This suggests that antisocial punishment is a social strategy that low cooperators use to avoid looking bad when high cooperators escalate cooperation.
Please excuse my bass-ackwards order here, but I want to quickly send readers to well-documented sources right away, for anyone who doubts that I’m serious, and well-justified, in what I say below. So, sources and links up front!
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders is an excellent place to start! A VERY good high-level summary! Follow links from there for more details. That’s where I got some of my links that I’ll refer to below.
See “Antisocial Punishment Across Societies”, https://science.sciencemag.org/content/319/5868/1362 ... Don’t you go making me look bad, by being a better person than I am! This is why Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., got themselves killed! This is an academic link here, and some of the other links (below) refer to it in turn.
The first link to the academic literature that I became aware of, came from the book, “BEHAVE The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst”, by Robert M. Sapolsky. Centered around pages 496-497 (in the soft-cover version 2018 at least), there’s some interesting and relevant details about human behavior. Much of it is from experimental “economics games” with humans (further distantly, even capuchin monkeys show some of the basics, behavior-wise, here as well). https://www.amazon.com/Behave-Biology-Humans-Best-Worst/dp/0143110918/ref=asc_df_0143110918/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312064598816&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13654540330964297268&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9027644&hvtargid=pla-469024892366&psc=1
The same “anti-social punishment” (AKA do-gooder derogation) thing is referred to here… https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201016-why-some-people-are-cruel-to-others … This is another excellent summary, with many embedded links to the academic literature
Popular culture, “old sayings”, and history contain the same lessons. “No good deed goes unpunished.” Also “nice guys finish last”. Jesus and the Sermon on the Mount: “The righteous will be persecuted”. https://bible.org/seriespage/8-blessed-are-persecuted-matthew-510-12 ... There’s plenty more on that out there! The Google knows all!
And let’s not forget “Courage the Cowardly Dog”! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courage_the_Cowardly_Dog Out-take from there, “…a grumpy, selfish and greedy farmer who regularly mistreats Courage out of jealousy and refers to him as "stupid dog". “Stupid dog, you make me look bad” (for doing the right thing) was a commonly repeated refrain!
Don’t tell the Emperor that He has no clothes! I am already a Perfect One! Me AND my tribe are Already Perfect! Any messengers bringing any news to the contrary? Let’s shoot and kill the messengers! This is a sad, sad, and VERY old tale… Jesus telling the hypocrites that they always kill the prophets… From http://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/MATT+23.html Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
See just HOW old and sad it is?
In conclusion, “nice guys finish last”, in view of human history and the deaths of Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., the better statement might be “nice guys get killed”! This is the more honest and complete version of the statement! Also this: The “do-gooder derogation” instinct (programmed emotion) could accurately be called the Jesus-killer ( Mahatma Gandhi-killer, Martin Luther King Jr.-killer, etc.) instinct.
Our sociobiologal roots (and our cultures) have accumulated a lot of wisdom. Are we wrong to fear that the hunter-hero (or the rich person, the sports or movies super-hero, or the wise, benevolent, and correct) person might steal all of our women? No! Think JFK, Tiger Woods, Donald Trump sleeping with a porn star, Bill Clinton, and many, many more. Think of Genghis Khan and his 972 offspring. Did y’all know that about 1 in 10 men in certain areas of Asia, have the “Y” chromosome of Genghis Khan? And 1 in 200 planet-wide? Use this search-string in quotes: “1 in 200 men direct descendants of Genghis Khan”, or, https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan ... Monopolies (or near-monopolies) on the harems of women leads to constant fighting, elephant-seal-style. Let’s all fight over our harems! Every reproducing male will know all about how to grab the women, and no one will know how to be a good father any more! It’s not the direction towards which I’d like to see humans evolve towards, biologically, culturally, or otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_(Mormon_fundamentalism) and especially https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/14/usa.julianborger , concerning fundamentalist, polygamous Mormons discarding their young men, are good links to explore, to illustrate my just-above-made point.
Examples (of monopolizing the women) abound. David Koresh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh and Mormon fundamentalists and “blood atonement” and Ervil LeBaron and his harem, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron. I’m sure that we could find more.
Sad to say, even some of our moral-ethical heroes had “feet of clay” here as well. Martin Luther King Junior? Yes, apparently! See https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-tapes-allege-mlk-watched-rape-2019-5 for example... I may or may not have picked a very good link here. There’s more out there… And M. Scott Peck is a personal hero of mine. He wrote that shrinks sleeping with their patients was a bad idea… Yet apparently he was a hypocrite! https://www.amazon.com/Road-Travelled-Revealing-Biography-Scott/dp/1844135764 and https://couchtrip.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/the-road-less-travelled/ and maybe more good links (this is at a quick Google-glance; I have read more about this, and may not have the best links here). OK, one more: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2005/oct/05/guardianobituaries.booksobituaries “Pop psychiatrist who ignored his bestselling advice on adultery”.
OK, just ONE more, then! https://buffalonews.com/lifestyles/biography-going-beneath-the-veneer-of-m-scott-peck/article_21705172-664a-5365-8e8a-cea293ce3bf4.html ... This latter one is the best for a short summary, I think. IF YOU ARE A MORAL-ETHICAL LEADER, PLEASE TRY TO ACT LIKE ONE!!!
So the hunter-gatherers were partly correct in fearing the “do gooders” and other heroes. Don’t forget Jesus and his warnings about “wolves in sheep’s clothing”. As soon as anyone (or a category of people) is put up on the pedestal… Politicians, Boy Scout leaders, military officers, poets, teachers, religious leaders (think Catholic priests), best-selling self-help authors… Whatever category of people is “in vogue” and-or powerful… As soon as such a group is well-thought-of, people WILL join that group, for the WRONG (self-seeking) reasons!
OK, a few more. https://lancasteronline.com/news/sick-tales-of-torture-and-brutality/article_2a7b727e-9d82-5aae-930c-1e0a5dcf9839.html
Sick tales of torture and brutality
John M. Spidaliere May 30, 2003 Updated Sep 11, 2013
“Before the war, the ministry was run by Uday Hussein, the eldest son of Saddam Hussein, who used his position to support his decadent lifestyle and satisfy his lust for violence and sex.”
“Uday had a cruel reputation for crashing weddings and either stealing the bride or any guest that intrigued him to rape and in some cases murder them, Eberly said.”
As to deviancy, among the sundry depravities attributed to Caligula, sex with his sisters was just a start – as contemporaries put it: “He lived in habitual incest with all his sisters, and at a large banquet he placed each of them in turn below him, while his wife reclined above“. At dinner parties, he was in the habit of ordering the wives of guests to accompany him to his bedroom, and after having sex with them, would return to the party and rate their performance, berating the cuckolded husbands if their wives had been lacking.
So then “prima nocta” is disputed… Was it real, or not real? Historians disagree. https://www.dictionary.com/e/historical-current-events/prima-nocta/ … From the above (Caligula etc.), we might suspect that it happened from time to time! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur …
Now also https://historydaily.org/remember-youre-mortal ... “In Ancient Rome, a Slave Would Whisper 'Remember You're Mortal' in the Ears of Victorious Generals On Their Homecoming Parade”… Now THAT was a GOOD result of ancient hunter-gatherer wisdom! Go ahead and DO take down a peg or two, those who might otherwise steal all of your women! Impeach Bill Clinton and Der TrumpfenFuhrer now and then!
At the logical extreme, the people who are better (wiser, more benevolent) than we are? We KILL them for it! Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., got themselves killed for that! All of them were killed for calling us on (challenging us for) “my tribe good, yours bad”, and “my violence good, your violence bad”. So… Let’s KILL those who make us look bad! By being better humans than we are! That’s WRONG! Period!
From way back when, to this day, chimps (and ape-men) have warred on each other over territory, and so have our fully-human ancestors. Times get rough, food and territory gets scarce, so we killed each other. That was OK in hunter-gatherer days, at least so far as it goes, in that it didn’t endanger the survival of the human race. WE HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS NOW!!! We must CUT this crap OUT! Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., and others, were RIGHT about this, and the ultra-nationalists and ultra-tribalists are WRONG! We humans are ALL humans, and need to respect each other as such! Full stop! (Even scapegoated so-called illegal sub-humans from the wrong sides of the lines in the sand, are humans also; please try to keep that in mind).
“The Jews killed Jesus” say those of shallow understanding. A BETTER, more detailed understanding would be, “First we grew fish brains, and the instincts and emotions than went with them. Then ditto lizard brains, then monkeys, then apes, and human hunter-gatherer brains, instincts, and emotions. As culture-bearing, supposedly fully thinking beings, by now we should have made that post-hunter-gatherer mental, ethical, and moral leap. Jesus (and etc.) was (were) killed by those who couldn’t or wouldn’t make that final leap.”
The ethically advanced ones among us know that always immediately (in “standard operating mode”) taking away the other guy’s dignity doesn’t add to our dignity. The search for dignity is NOT generally a zero-sum game! Yet balanced against that, we do no one any favors when we refuse to criticize people who are wrong! Jesus called them vipers and sons of vipers! See https://biblehub.com/matthew/23-33.htm and see https://tricycle.org/magazine/arent-we-right-be-angry/ , but enough on those digressions for now.
From https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201016-why-some-people-are-cruel-to-others : “Yet there is a hidden upside of do-gooder derogation. Once we have pulled down the do-gooder, we are more open to their message. ” End quote. (Last link there = https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1948550611415695 and it is a clunky link, but enough said). It’s not a HUGE amount of good news, but at least SOME good news. AFTER we have killed Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., and they are DEAD men, and can NOT possibly steal our women any more, THEN we are free to FINALLY listen safely to their messages!
Well anyway, modern-day hunter-gatherers, find the limits to your anger! Don’t use those nukes! If despotism takes over the world tomorrow, then future generations can always re-discover or re-invent freedom! But NOT if we’re all dead! (“Better red than dead.”)
Further on down, I plan to show that libertarian (“live-and-let-live”) thinking and politics is better than authoritarian, bossy, micro-managing thinking, of whatever (left, right, middle, populist, elite-rich, anti-one-percenter, pro-proletariat, etc.) stripe your authoritarian thinking might be. Depending on who you are (Dear Reader), that might step on your toes. So first, let me demonstrate that I am NOT an intolerant rube, or a narrow-minded bigot! Hence the below…
Let’s start with the wisdom of Ralph Waldo Emerson, who said, ‘The State must follow, and not lead, the character and progress of the citizen.’
Here is the full-blown quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson:
‘Republics abound in young civilians who believe that the laws make the city, that grave modifications of the policy and modes of living and employments of the population, that commerce, education and religion may be voted in or out; and that any measure, though it were absurd, may be imposed on a people if only you can get sufficient voices to make it a law. But the wise know that foolish legislation is a rope of sand which perishes in the twisting; that the State must follow and not lead the character and progress of the citizen; that the form of government which prevails is the expression of what cultivation exists in the population which permits it. The law is only a memorandum.’
Another relevant Emerson quote:
“All men plume themselves on the improvement of society, and no man improves.”
So anyway, suppose that Government Almighty goes too far, and mandates no-meat diets, which many people disagree with, just like the War on Drugs today…
Then there will be underground, makeshift, amateurish animal-killing-and-butchering shops, where the animals will be treated far less humanely than they are today! (Thank You shallow-understanding would-be Do-Gooders!!!)
You will not be able to let Fluffy or Fido wander through the bushes in your own back yard, for fear of meat-hungry lawbreaking pet-snatchers! (But, Meat-Hungry Lawbreaking Pet-Snatchers would make a MOST EXCELLENT name for a garage band!)
In case anyone doesn’t understand what we are saying here… “We” being me & the Ralph Waldo Emerson in my pocket…
If I passed a law saying that one may no longer burn witches for killing our calves and babies, and making our crops fail, just because they are witches using witchcraft… People would laugh at me. We got over witch-burning a LONG time ago, so those laws aren’t needed any more! We’ve gotten over totally overt anti-black-people bias, to the point where we might start ditching those laws as well. (MAYBE). In their place, enforce “truth in adverting” laws… Do NOT put up a sign in your shop, saying “all races welcome here”, and then act to the contrary to your sign! For lack of a non-discrimination sign, and for bad behavior, MOST people today, would punish such a shop, enough! Boycotts work!
More tolerance for gays is newer than more tolerance for blacks (I think, generally). Give it time… In due time, cake-baking laws will be as un-needed as witch-protection laws are today! Ralph Waldo Emerson was right! Let the state follow the progress of the citizens, and not vice versa! Vice versa causes WAAAY too much fighting, and WAAAY too much stupid!
Slight sub-topic change; too much fighting is way too stupid, and we need BALANCE! Consider the below:
For all ideological hard-core warmongers everywhere…
So ye lust after the utter, eternal destruction of the “D” team, and the eternal victory of the “R” team? (The inverse kind of ideological idiot exists also, but not so much, on these pages = specifically where I sometimes comment, at https://reason.com/latest/ ).
“R” team likes to demonize “D” team? Biden is going to outlaw the internal combustion engine, tomorrow, to “Make American Green Again”? The NEW MAGA? Bullshit, demonizers!
“D” team likes to say that the next “R” POTUS (Alex Jones maybe?) will outlaw ALL abortion, and birth control? And turn ALL women into enslaved baby-making machines, because every sperm is sacred? Bullshit, demonizers!
All is for The Hive… The Tribe-Nation… Or, All is for the Individual, and you may NOT (of your own supposed “free will”) join a VOLUNTARY commune?! There can be NO compromise, traitors!!!
The males must UTTERLY DEFEAT the females, who must NEVER speak again!
Yin must smash Yang, till Yang exists no more!
Creation must smash destruction! NO eggs may be broken, for making omelets!
Life must rule over death, and NO ONE may die, to make room for the new living! No matter HOW old and decrepit they get! YOU MAY NOT DIE!!!
Do you ideological idiots NOT see that “R” v/s “D” falls into the same category? You would destroy it ALL (multi-party democracy, “balance”) in the name of your POWER PIG FANTASIES!!!
The ONLY way that ye will get your “ultimate victory” is in the DEATH OF IT ALL!!! The new POTUS, Alex Jones, will declare Nuclear War for the Ultimate Victory… And yin and yang, male and female, “D” and “R”, individual v/s tribe… they all ARE NO MORE!!!
Are you HAPPY now, ideological idiots and power-lusters?!!?
(Sorry if that was “in your face”, but I hope that my point has been made).
One last stab (or two) at this and then I’ll probably be ready to move on…
Early 20th century clergyman Harry Emerson Fosdick showed himself to be a man of wisdom and benevolence (and tolerance and humility as well). http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5070/ and https://peaceloveshenanigans.tumblr.com/post/3419714173/there-are-many-opinions-in-the-field-of-modern. Here, look at this, of his: “There are many opinions in the field of modern controversy concerning which I am not sure whether they are right or wrong, but there is one thing I am sure of: courtesy and kindliness and tolerance and humility and fairness are right. Opinions may be mistaken; love never is.”
And this one here from Martin Luther King Jr. is MOST excellent! https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/martin_luther_king_jr_101472 “Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”
Humility is a MUCH underappreciated virtue! See this: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/12/27/army-has-introduced-new-leadership-value-heres-why-it-matters.html Even in a supposedly “proud” profession, wise leaders treasure humility!
Books that I recommend: Peter McWilliams “Ain’t Nobody’s Business…” https://www.amazon.com/Aint-Nobodys-Business-You-Consensual/dp/192976717X , written by a gay man. It’s a secular book, but has a LOT of content about religious influences on USA history and culture. Funny and erudite, with LOTS of good quotes from many-many sources! EXCELLENT book!
Jonathan Haidt, “The Righteous Mind”, https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0307455777 . Haidt self-IDs openly as a liberal atheist, but (in a data-driven, tolerant, even-handed, and broad-minded manner) examines different (liberal v/s conservative) ways of thinking. He clearly advocates open, tolerant, and civil discussions about everything. We CAN discuss things, and NOT yell at each other, and-or past each other! It IS possible!
Less-so a “benevolent wise person” book and more-so a “general knowledge” book is this; “The Evolution of Everything”, Matt Ridley, https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Everything-How-Ideas-Emerge/dp/0062296000/ref=asc_df_0062296000/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312741934517&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1463665821932812954&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9027638&hvtargid=pla-432981011169&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=64940825031&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312741934517&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1463665821932812954&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9027638&hvtargid=pla-432981011169
Well, I hope that I’ve established my “bona fides” as being tolerant and broad-minded. Now let me move on, to show why libertarian thinking is superior to authoritarianism. Is this clear? I hope so! I am not opposed to all “leftism” or all “rightism”; I am only opposed to such things, when they are extremist and-or authoritarian!
Libertarianism (non-authoritarianism) is a straight-forward derivative of the “Golden Rule”. You do NOT want others to assume that they are your moral superiors? You don’t want them to boss you around all day, every day? Then don’t do that to them! You want your freedom and dignity? Grant it to others as well!
When everything “good” is mandated, and everything “bad” is prohibited, there will be NO room left for human freedom, and human individual judgment!
Government Almighty force is (should be) reserved for uses that protect us all against evil people! We can almost all (say, 80% or more) agree that murder, violence (real violence not verbal “violence”), rape, theft, theft-by-deception, and gross, blatant, and obvious environmental pollution (dumping of toxins) is bad. Let’s use force or the threat of force to protect our freedoms from these things. Beyond that, let’s tread very carefully!
Libertarianism should sensibly allow moderate regulation of common utilities like electrical power, gas lines, railroads, and roads. We don’t have the room for 12 competing railroads to lay down tracks side-by-side. Such “natural monopolies” need regulated. Tread carefully though! Look up (Google) “regulatory capture” and “concentrated benefits, diffuse costs” to see why!
We have WAY too many requirements for degrees, licenses, and credentials, obstructing honest and poor people who would like to earn a living! It also obstructs our freedoms, plain and simple! Can anyone defend this: In the USA, and in the USA alone, among ALL nations, I need to get a physician’s permission to blow on a cheap plastic “lung flute”?!? See http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ .
If we try to tread the sensible “middle way”, we might also need to think about “market failure”. If Bill Gates or Elon Musk (or other rich person) shells out $50 billion to save some (?) 7.8 billion people on the planet Earth from the next YUUUUGE asteroid, how does (say) Bill Gates collect $6.41 (plus profit) from everyone on the planet? That’s a tough row to hoe! Sounds like Government Almighty getting involved here might make SOME sense! Other than a few special cases though, let’s not be “The Boy that Cried Wolf”, and willy-nilly yell “market failure” at the drop of a hat! It gets old quickly!
If you need more understanding of (or justification for, or want to send your hard-earned money to) libertarian causes, follow https://reason.com/latest/ and-or https://www.cato.org/ and-or https://ij.org/ .
Well I guess it wasn’t that horribly long! This space is reserved for more Deep Thoughts later, just maybe… Enough for now!
Combining libertarianism and “no good deed goes unpunished” together, what do we get? Well, throw in ONE more idea to spice it up, and let’s go! Add “social capital”, or, lack of public corruption, or, our ability to trust each other, and our public institutions. THEN what do we get?
Human societies with greater income differentials have less “social capital”, and people tend to trust one another (as strangers) significantly less. This is not good for “free market” operations to run smoothly! So within wise (judicious) limits, policies in favor of more-equal income distribution make sense, and many reasonable people (and voters) can see this. https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/media-culture/social-capital-and-the-free-market at a casual search, was short and good… There’s plenty more out there!
I’m a free-market libertarian, sure, but I am also a “poly-centrist”… We do NOT just need ONE political party; we need more than one! And we need “power” (soft power at least) shared with comedians and churches and mosques and temples and poets, priests, and artists, as well as politicians! In a dictatorship, the dictator typically tries VERY hard to shut down ALL other voices! The comedians may NOT make jokes about the dictator! That’s not what I want… So, unlike the shrill voices of the authoritarian conservatives on comment boards, I am glad that leftist-type people show up as well. I do NOT think that raw, naked income redistribution by Government Almighty is a good “fix”… But excessive income inequality is NOT a good thing, either! So leftists have a part of the truth… Me, personally, I would start by cutting the hell out of licensing and regulations that keep poor people from being able to earn an honest living! If you don’t want to hire an unlicensed interior decorator, then don’t! But don’t get in my way when I want to hire one!
There are some more counterintuitive aspects of human behavior that are also relevant. Economic-behavior science calls it “antisocial punishment”… AKA, “no good deed goes unpunished”. If you are TOO charitable, and TOO public-minded, TOO altruistic and benevolent, then others around you can and will punish you for making them look bad! The above-described phenomenon (and even more so, the lack of “social capital” and trust, due to public corruption) is measured as being not super-powerful in the USA, Australia, and Nordic nations, for examples, compared to more-corrupt nations. “Social capital” (we trust each other) is still prevalent, and so we don’t get all hell-bent on punishing the good guys.
Certain societies have gotten themselves sucked into a spiral vortex… Income inequality skyrockets (the rich screw the poor with licensing schemes, among other things), and the poor shoot back, by putting commies in power. Then the Government Almighty power pigs (think of special stores in the USSR for Commie Party members only) abuse the poor some more! It turns out that we are all equal, but some are more equal than others! And then, the poor (who can plainly see that Government Almighty power pigs are screwing them) get even more pissed off (“social capital” deteriorates some more), and WHO do they turn to, to punish the “bad guys”? … Yup, some MORE Government Almighty power pigs (the RIGHT ones this time!) will FIX it for them!
Government Almighty power pigs collude with big-business interests to screw over HONEST business that would compete with them! Expecting Government Almighty to be the “fix” for this is a losing game! Asking Government Almighty power pigs to punish other power pigs (who send bribes, ooops, I mean, campaign contributions to our Lords and Masters) to fix it for us, doesn’t work!
The GENUINE good guys, like REAL libertarians? They, too, must be PUNISHED! How DARE they question the Gospel of Government Almighty!?! How DARE they question the benevolence of those who help the poor… By using the guns and jails of Government Almighty, to make MY charity choices FOR me? “Here, let me help you; I will rob the stranger next door to help you out!” “Robbing Peter to pay Paul” doesn’t work well in the long run! THIS is the kind of power-seeking “do gooder” that gives do-gooding a bad name!
The same “anti-social punishment” thing is referred to here……. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201016-why-some-people-are-cruel-to-others out-take from there is
Sometimes people will even harm the helpful. Imagine you are playing an economic game in which you and other players have the chance to invest in a group fund. The more money is paid into it, the more it pays out. And the fund will pay out money to all players, whether they have invested or not.
At the end of the game, you can pay to punish other players for how much they chose to invest. To do so, you give up some of your earnings and money is taken away from the player of your choice. In short, you can be spiteful.
Some players chose to punish others who invested little or nothing in the group fund. Yet some will pay to punish players who invested more in the group fund than they did. Such acts seem to make no sense. Generous players give you a greater pay-out – why would you dissuade them?
End out-take. Answer to the ending question above is “because they make you look bad”. If I look bad, I might have to behave better, and don’t want to! Also, you might steal all of “my” women!
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
End out-take. Good advice! I’ll take it!
So, just because you (authoritarian jerk if you are one) are nasty, does NOT mean that I want you to feel BAD about YOU being a jerk, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being a jerk! And I do NOT want to steal “your” woman! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being a jerk! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that jerk that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
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